The Crystal Ball Revisited Featuring Marty Davis

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Hello, and welcome to another moment with Eric Fleming. I am your host, Eric Fleming.

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So today is going to be kind of a, well, I say chill episode.

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I got another one of my friends coming on, a young lady named Marty Davis.

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And Marty made a prediction, and she had said that Donald Trump was going to

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win when I interviewed her in April.

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Of course, Biden was still running at the time and all that, but she predicted it.

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So, of course, since she was right and had time to reach out to her,

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just wanted to come have a comeback on and just kind of talk about why that

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happened in her perspective and what we think is going to happen during the

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first few days that Donald Trump is going to be back in office.

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So I hope y'all enjoy that. I guess we can call that another episode of Marty's

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Crystal Ball and go from there.

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So yeah, and then there's some stuff I want to talk about.

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So it's going to be a typical show as far as time, but I just really wanted

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to get her back on since she made that assessment,

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that prediction that Trump was going to win and just kind of flesh that out a little bit.

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All right. So I hope you all enjoy this. Like I said, I've got some on my mind.

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I wanted maybe a couple of things, but it's definitely one thing on my mind I want to address.

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And I don't know how long that'll take, but I do want to get that off my chest.

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So let's go ahead and get this show started.

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And as always, we started with a moment of news with Grace G.

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Music.

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Donald Trump nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services.

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Matt Gaetz withdrew his nomination for attorney general as allegations of sexual

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misconduct raise concern from Republican senators.

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The U.S. Justice Department reported that the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta

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systematically violates inmates' constitutional rights, citing severe neglect and inadequate care.

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The Biden administration has allowed Ukraine to use U.S.-made weapons for long-range

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attacks in Russia as Ukraine prepares to target Russian military installations.

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The Palm Springs City Council approved a $5.9 million reparation settlement

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for former residents of a black neighborhood destroyed in the 1960s.

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The family of Malcolm X filed a $100 million federal lawsuit against the FBI,

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CIA, and NYPD, alleging they allowed his assassination to occur and concealed

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evidence about the plot.

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U.S. Envoy Rahm Emanuel and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley are considering

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viz for chair of the Democratic National Committee.

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The Texas Supreme Court cleared the way for the execution of Robert Roberson,

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who was convicted of murdering his toddler based on shaken baby syndrome.

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A Wyoming judge ruled that two anti-abortion laws are unconstitutional,

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citing a state constitutional right to individual health care decisions.

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A federal judge in Texas permanently blocked a rule intended to expand overtime

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pay to millions of salaried workers.

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Florida's attorney general has filed a lawsuit against FEMA for allegedly discriminating

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against hurricane victims who supported Trump.

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The Los Angeles City Council approved an ordinance to safeguard immigrants,

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which restricts the use of city resources for federal immigration enforcement.

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And a losing bidder linked to Alex Jones is contesting the Onion's purchase

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of his InfoWars website, alleging the auction was rigged.

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I am Grace Gee, and this has been a Moment of News.

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All right. Thank you, Grace, for that moment of news.

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And there was one correction. Last week in the news segment,

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we had said that a FEMA employee was denying people in North Carolina support.

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It was actually Florida.

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So if you call in the news thing that Florida's the government is now going

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after FEMA because of that individual So want to get that clear because we had

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said North Carolina and that's not Grace's fault.

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That's mine and You know But I wanted to make sure we we had that correction

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going and then there was some Other stuff that had happened mind.

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Jesse Smoulet, I think his name is. The young man that played on Empire that

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probably messed his name up.

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But, you know, the young brother who had said that the Trump supporters had

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jumped him in Chicago and, you know, did some things to him.

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And initially he had worked out a deal with the state's attorney.

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And then next thing you know, they were, he got convicted.

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Well, the Illinois State Supreme Court overturned the conviction.

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Basically, you know, in so many terms, it's like, yeah, they had already worked out a deal.

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It's not exactly double jeopardy, but, you know, this had already been worked

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out. And then you wanted to push for, I guess, whatever political reasons you

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wanted to make an example of him.

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And, yeah, the state Supreme Court wasn't wasn't down with that.

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So that conviction has been overturned. So now he can, I guess,

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go forward in his life, whatever he wants to do with that.

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The tie in, though, is that Rahm Emanuel, as you've heard, wants to be the chair

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of the Democratic Party.

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And he was the mayor at the time when Smolet was arrested and he was the one

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pushing for somebody, the young man to be convicted.

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So, you know, everything ties in. But anyway, enough of that.

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I just I just wanted to throw that in because we didn't really have time to cover that.

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Now it's time for my friend Marty Davis. Marty has been involved in politics

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and media for a long time. She's retired now, but she she does a newsletter.

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We call it Marty's crystal ball, and she she kind of gives her assessment of

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what's going on in the political world just now as an outside observer more

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than somebody that's on the inside. But she's done news radio.

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She's you know, she was married to a congressman and all that stuff.

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And and she still keeps tabs on everything. So, you know, we connected and I

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enjoy listening to her give her opinions about things.

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And, you know, some of the conversations we have offline are a lot better than

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what you hear in the interview because there's no time constraints on that.

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But I value her opinion and I value her spirit.

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And I'm honored that her and Will and Coach Killings are people and the Pearsons,

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my good lawyer friends, are regular contributors to the show.

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And because I value their input and I greatly appreciate not only their input,

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but their spirit and their energy.

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So another friend of the program, ladies and gentlemen, is my distinct honor

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and privilege to have as a guest on this podcast, Marty Davis.

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Music.

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All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I have Marty Davis.

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Marty, how are you doing, ma'am? You doing good?

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Oh, I'm just doing ducky, my dear Eric. Yes, just great.

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Well, look, I'm doing good. I'm about to play something.

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Normally, like I said, I start off with a quote, but instead I'm going to do

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something because last time you was on, it was April of this year.

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And I asked you a question and the whole segment was Marty's crystal ball, right?

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And you were kind of making predictions and kind of assessments about different issues.

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So I asked you who was going to win the election.

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And this is only part of the answer, but you'll get the gist of it. So here we go.

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I don't know. You know, it's really a crash, obviously.

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But if I if I I would say Trump's going to pull this out and I don't know why.

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But, you know, my psychic instinct is that he'll pull it out.

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Well, your psychic instinct was right, Marty Davis, that crystal ball was working.

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And Donald Trump is now going to be the 47th president of the United States,

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as opposed to being the 45th.

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So even though you said at that time that you really didn't have an idea,

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and at that time, Biden was still running.

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During that period, when Biden dropped out and Harris got in,

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did you think anything was going to change?

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Or were you pretty solid on your instinct that Trump was going to win?

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I knew that nothing was going to change just from my feelings.

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You know that back in 2020, Eric, I saw that Trump's loss had to happen. It had to happen.

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And the country had to go through the time with Biden and then get to the point

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where Trump would eventually get reelected.

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I know that sounds very strange. however as

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you know and as some of your viewers or

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listeners know that if they know me

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they know that i have that uncanny ability

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and i don't know where i divine it but to see things that other people are unable

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to see and in politics i've been around the block for so many years i know this stuff. I really do.

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And I saw, I don't know if you want me to take a deep dive in my analysis of

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the 2024 presidential election.

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Biden drops out after that disastrous debate,

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and then Kamala is anointed his successor he comes in and the message is vibes and joy and.

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What I saw, and other Americans and other political prognosticators,

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and you did too, what I saw was the Democrats just didn't get it.

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They didn't understand what the issues really were, or they didn't want to embrace

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those issues such as immigration,

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the economy and inflation and everything like that,

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this It's transgender movement and boys and girls sports and things like that

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that matter to the rank and file American voter.

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And I think that the voters had had enough. They just simply had enough.

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And they wanted some sense, I would think, of normalcy. I'm,

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you know, distancing myself from being politically partisan about this.

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I'm just looking at this in an analytical manner.

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And the Democrats just were stubbornly adamant about pushing these issues.

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And then Kamala Harris, as a candidate, in my humble opinion, made several mistakes.

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One of which not answering media questions

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it was so orchestrated not having spontaneous interactions with reporters and

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and an inability when she did communicate to be effective I thought and I,

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Hiring the celebrities for millions of dollars to pumper up and hopefully have

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that translate into votes.

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My experience, Eric, is that celebrity endorsements mean nothing.

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Zero. I remember when my second husband was running for Congress in Michigan

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and the Democrats brought in Teddy Kennedy. I'm telling you,

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this stuff doesn't work.

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It just doesn't. And this was way back, you know, historically,

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these endorsements don't work.

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And and here we are. It didn't happen in this instance either.

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Then then there was the polling, the polling, the polling was I read Nate Silver

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and the polling appeared to be weighted. But then again, all polling is weighted.

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And the one polling polling data that came in at the end was the Des Moines, Iowa poll.

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And Ruth, I don't remember the last name, but anyway, she ended up resigning.

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And she said that Kamal was going to win. It was 47 to something.

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Correct, Eric? Something like that.

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Well, yeah, you know, I just, the polling was flawed.

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And there are some that will say, no, it wasn't. It wasn't flawed,

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but it appeared to be flawed.

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I ask you this, how are you going to take a questionnaire, a polling questionnaire

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from 808 or eight? Yeah, 808 voters.

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How is that going to be representative of the country? Now, the pollsters will

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say, yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah. So let me ask you this, Marty.

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When you talk about Kamala and the responses to the media, one of,

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I guess it was Charlemagne or somebody asked her that question directly.

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And she said it was discipline that she was staying on message, whatever she was,

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whatever talking point she was given, whatever talking point she felt comfortable saying that,

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that it was discipline and that she needed to stay on that discipline in order

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to make sure that the point she wanted to get out was out. You think that that was a bad idea.

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Why? It was definitely a mistake, Eric, because, and I don't even think Charlemagne,

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the God, bought it. How could he buy that?

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You know what defense mechanisms are? Well, you know, she was using a defense

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mechanism. She was rationalizing.

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She was justifying her unwillingness to answer questions posed by the media,

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unless it was in a friendly environment and it was controlled.

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And it was obvious to, I would think it was obvious to voters,

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anyone who watched any of these encounters she had with the media.

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She didn't come off as being real or credible, real as a person, I thought.

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And I believe that her handlers made a fatal error in not allowing her.

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Taking her off the leash and letting her answer some questions.

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However, I am wondering if she was simply incapable.

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If you look at some of her other appearances in the media,

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like that space thing she did with the kiddie actors or something,

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where she was, I just don't think she's capable.

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I think she has anxiety issues. I think some of this is pathological and,

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you know, hey, I'm not a doctor and I don't play one on TV.

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However, I know human behavior and I understand communications and body language

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and those sorts of things that define one's ability to communicate.

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And I wasn't seeing it. I wasn't seeing it.

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I wasn't seeing a genuineness. I was

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seeing stock answers I was seeing

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unintelligible answers and

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she had the friendly media on her

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side obviously she did do some friendly

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media interviews and she was being talked up

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by most of the mainstream media or

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all of it for all I know and you know

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it it looked it it looked

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good for her as far as what she was getting from

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from the media however her own

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appearances were just not convincing

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eric to me well let me i'll i'll push back a little bit on that because i think

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i think one because i've been in it not not to that extent right i mean I've

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run a statewide campaign before and I've had to,

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but I'm a, I'm a different type of person and I kind of get where you're going with that.

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I'm, I'm, I can be spontaneous. I can handle certain things and all that.

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But, you know, when I was, when we got to a certain level, it's like,

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okay, you know, just in case you get in a debate or whatever case,

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we need you to make sure that we've got these points covered.

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And, you know, at the national level, They send you all these talking points

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and they want you to do this. I've had to be surrogate for a candidate.

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And so I get the talking points. And I was even explaining to one of my my co-workers,

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you know, is like, well, she doesn't really answer questions.

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And I said, have you ever heard of this term called artful dodging?

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I said, that's a skill set that a lot of politicians have to have.

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If you if you if you don't want to lie about something or you don't want to

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really give the whole truth, but you want to give a semblance of answering the

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question or if you really don't know and you're not comfortable with saying, I don't know.

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Then that's a skill set you develop to say, OK, well, this is this is this is

00:22:02.741 --> 00:22:04.221
the answer I'm going to give you.

00:22:04.221 --> 00:22:10.141
Now, some reporters are like they're going to stay on you until they get the

00:22:10.141 --> 00:22:14.841
answer that they know that you're not BSing them, right, that you're not pulling their leg.

00:22:15.161 --> 00:22:19.681
And then, you know, but in this news cycle, in the times we're in,

00:22:19.961 --> 00:22:23.981
if you got a soundbite, run it and let's keep it moving, right?

00:22:24.321 --> 00:22:28.261
So I think that's where if you're saying the media was friendly,

00:22:28.261 --> 00:22:30.021
I think the media is impatient.

00:22:30.761 --> 00:22:35.661
And I think that as long as they got a answer that they can run at five,

00:22:35.821 --> 00:22:39.921
at six, you know, on their a block shows, if it's cable news,

00:22:40.421 --> 00:22:43.001
then they're going to run with that and keep it moving. Right.

00:22:44.261 --> 00:22:50.801
I think for somebody that was saying, OK, you're running for president and you've

00:22:50.801 --> 00:22:52.581
got one hundred and seven days to win.

00:22:53.481 --> 00:22:57.761
I think she did a phenomenal job. I don't know if I could have pulled that off.

00:22:57.761 --> 00:23:01.541
And I know you think I'm you hold me in high esteem and I appreciate it,

00:23:01.561 --> 00:23:05.421
but I don't think I could have I could have been as smooth as she looked.

00:23:06.316 --> 00:23:10.136
You know, 107 days. And I think she accomplished what she wanted to accomplish

00:23:10.136 --> 00:23:13.896
as far as energizing a particular base.

00:23:14.496 --> 00:23:18.896
Now, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree with you that she didn't do what needed

00:23:18.896 --> 00:23:22.456
to be done to win the election because it's obvious she didn't win.

00:23:22.936 --> 00:23:28.876
But, and then with the endorsement piece, yeah, now we're finding out,

00:23:28.936 --> 00:23:34.216
but see, a lot of that money is not necessarily money that goes into these celebrities pockets.

00:23:34.596 --> 00:23:38.836
It's like, if it's anything, if I'm, if I'm bringing Bruce Springsteen in and

00:23:38.836 --> 00:23:43.136
he's talking about performing, that means I got to pay for the acoustics people.

00:23:43.436 --> 00:23:45.816
I got to pay for the guy that handles his guitar.

00:23:46.176 --> 00:23:49.676
I got to pay for all this stuff. I got to pay for the bus to get them to the

00:23:49.676 --> 00:23:51.576
rally or the plane or whatever.

00:23:51.736 --> 00:23:54.276
It's not like his money is getting a pocket. It's just like,

00:23:54.836 --> 00:23:57.536
you know, it's just like if they were performing in a concert,

00:23:57.716 --> 00:24:00.736
you're, you're the producer and you're trying to get this act to participate

00:24:00.736 --> 00:24:03.676
at this venue that that's basically

00:24:03.676 --> 00:24:06.376
how that money went but nonetheless i get what you're

00:24:06.376 --> 00:24:09.656
saying about spending money on celebrity endorsements because i'm

00:24:09.656 --> 00:24:15.016
not a big fan of endorsements either i you can ask people you know it was like

00:24:15.016 --> 00:24:19.716
you know i've had people as like believe that endorsements are religion i live

00:24:19.716 --> 00:24:24.436
in georgia it's like they believe in having a push card with yearbook pictures

00:24:24.436 --> 00:24:28.476
of all these elected officials saying that i support this person and all that.

00:24:28.716 --> 00:24:31.956
And people don't really care about that because a lot of those folks,

00:24:32.236 --> 00:24:36.496
people have questions about whether they're going to vote for those people or not. Right.

00:24:37.176 --> 00:24:42.916
So, you know, a lot of times those endorsement things don't really mean a whole

00:24:42.916 --> 00:24:49.456
lot, but it serves a purpose, especially in a presidential level to generate excitement.

00:24:49.456 --> 00:24:54.736
And I think when you're trying to run a campaign that normally takes two years

00:24:54.736 --> 00:24:59.536
in this cycle and you're trying to do it in two months, I think,

00:24:59.556 --> 00:25:02.536
you know, you got to roll the dice,

00:25:03.116 --> 00:25:06.236
and say, okay, we got to generate excitement everywhere we go.

00:25:06.356 --> 00:25:08.956
So if we're in Houston, we get Beyonce. If we're in New Jersey,

00:25:09.016 --> 00:25:13.336
we get Bruce Springsteen. You understand what I'm saying? So I don't necessarily falter for that.

00:25:14.643 --> 00:25:18.723
But I do agree that message was an issue.

00:25:19.263 --> 00:25:23.363
And even though she was laying out, this is what I want to do.

00:25:23.503 --> 00:25:26.323
This is what I want to do with this. And this is what I want to do with that.

00:25:27.023 --> 00:25:30.103
It was just kind of like what you were sensing.

00:25:30.843 --> 00:25:35.583
I think, you know, a lot of people. And then another thing, another dynamic

00:25:35.583 --> 00:25:40.403
with this election to me was that people voted early.

00:25:41.203 --> 00:25:47.623
80% of the American electric voted before election day, which has never happened before.

00:25:47.903 --> 00:25:53.723
So people had their minds made up and they were just really waiting for the opportunity to go do it.

00:25:54.063 --> 00:26:03.283
And so whatever she said within the last 30 days of the campaign was in and out. It didn't matter.

00:26:03.603 --> 00:26:07.143
Whatever Trump did in the last 30 days was in and out because people had made

00:26:07.143 --> 00:26:13.263
up their minds at that particular point. And that's when the early voting started, like 30 days out.

00:26:13.843 --> 00:26:21.563
So I don't I don't know if there was anything that she could have done to change

00:26:21.563 --> 00:26:25.863
that outcome. I was okay. Let me, let me ask you this.

00:26:26.483 --> 00:26:35.843
So I I've, I've been an advocate for people who have served their time, right.

00:26:36.123 --> 00:26:40.983
In jail or whatever, to be able to get a fresh start, whether it's to be allowed

00:26:40.983 --> 00:26:43.743
to vote, get a job, all this kind of stuff.

00:26:44.583 --> 00:26:49.803
And a good number of Americans don't really like that, right?

00:26:49.963 --> 00:26:55.003
They, you know, it's a stigma that's on people. And it's a stigma that people

00:26:55.003 --> 00:26:59.483
have put on themselves because they committed the crime. But if they are trying

00:26:59.483 --> 00:27:02.823
to do something better in life, I think they should get another chance.

00:27:03.383 --> 00:27:05.323
That's just, that's my political position.

00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:11.269
But I never conceived of anybody being president out of that.

00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:18.989
Right. Why do you think the American people made a decision that despite all

00:27:18.989 --> 00:27:24.209
of this stuff that Trump was dealing with from the legal side, that they said, well,

00:27:24.469 --> 00:27:27.069
we're going to give him a second chance.

00:27:28.269 --> 00:27:32.709
But if they had a business and somebody came in and said, well,

00:27:32.789 --> 00:27:36.989
I, you know, I worked, you know, I had to do time and all that stuff.

00:27:37.429 --> 00:27:41.689
They might not even get an interview if they check that box on that application.

00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:42.669
You see where I'm going with that?

00:27:42.989 --> 00:27:48.369
Why do you feel that American people were forgiving of Donald Trump when it's

00:27:48.369 --> 00:27:52.349
not natural for them to be forgiving of anybody else in a similar situation?

00:27:52.349 --> 00:27:59.269
Well, I will say this, Eric, I agree with you that somebody who does time and

00:27:59.269 --> 00:28:02.569
gets out deserves a second chance.

00:28:03.129 --> 00:28:07.509
Why not? That's pretty much a no brainer to me.

00:28:07.509 --> 00:28:19.849
I think the deal with Trump was that people saw that the government or whatever

00:28:19.849 --> 00:28:24.449
was piling on him regarding all these lawfare,

00:28:24.669 --> 00:28:27.129
it's a new term, lawfare cases.

00:28:27.129 --> 00:28:30.389
And it was just one after

00:28:30.389 --> 00:28:34.469
the other and it seemed clear to

00:28:34.469 --> 00:28:38.069
people that he was being railroaded

00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:47.369
and that's that's what i perceived that he was being railroaded and so ergo

00:28:47.369 --> 00:28:54.729
they were able to to look past that he was somebody took a shot at him.

00:28:55.928 --> 00:29:02.968
And he used that to max benefit. And then somebody had a gun and was apprehended,

00:29:02.968 --> 00:29:05.148
attempting to do the same thing.

00:29:05.368 --> 00:29:08.668
He goes to McDonald's and serves up fries.

00:29:08.968 --> 00:29:16.588
You know, he's like just, you know, going around and doing all that and getting a lot of buzz.

00:29:17.148 --> 00:29:20.768
However, I do, you know, let's get back to what you were saying.

00:29:21.368 --> 00:29:23.148
Trump is a flawed guy.

00:29:23.888 --> 00:29:29.928
He's a narcissist. He's a sociopath who is emotional.

00:29:30.888 --> 00:29:37.128
Sociopaths are emotional. And he's a ready, fire, aim type guy.

00:29:37.368 --> 00:29:38.928
He is incredibly flawed.

00:29:39.828 --> 00:29:47.208
And these sexual cases, harassment or rape or whatever, you know,

00:29:47.568 --> 00:29:52.648
although I must say, I've been in Bergdorf Goodman's fitting rooms.

00:29:52.648 --> 00:29:58.828
And I don't understand how anyone could get raped in a Bergdorf Goodman fitting room.

00:29:59.028 --> 00:30:02.668
I don't get it. Now, if somebody pulled that on me, if Trump,

00:30:02.828 --> 00:30:06.928
you know, hey, he'd have his head between his legs.

00:30:07.048 --> 00:30:12.408
You know, I told you when Jack Kev tried to do that to me in his office. Did I know?

00:30:13.088 --> 00:30:18.408
Yes, ma'am, you did. Yeah. Because you talked to me about the Bergdorf thing, too.

00:30:18.568 --> 00:30:21.408
And that was the interesting part. that you're the only person i've

00:30:21.408 --> 00:30:27.388
ever heard describe that dressing room at that shopping uh at that store there's

00:30:27.388 --> 00:30:33.008
no way there's no freaking way you know i kicked the guy in the balls i mean

00:30:33.008 --> 00:30:38.908
he would not i mean to me it's it's it's the victim that's.

00:30:39.706 --> 00:30:43.666
Acceding to the perpetrator because

00:30:43.666 --> 00:30:47.006
of that person's power that happens

00:30:47.006 --> 00:30:50.786
you know that happens and eugene

00:30:50.786 --> 00:30:54.326
doesn't seem to me from what i got to

00:30:54.326 --> 00:30:57.486
be somebody who would would

00:30:57.486 --> 00:31:01.246
would he she wouldn't fight like

00:31:01.246 --> 00:31:04.146
i would because i don't give a rat's ass who

00:31:04.146 --> 00:31:07.626
trump is or anybody else you know they can

00:31:07.626 --> 00:31:10.446
go screw themselves i'm not me but i'm

00:31:10.446 --> 00:31:13.366
out of there and i forgot

00:31:13.366 --> 00:31:17.006
that i told you about the jack kemp thing but no

00:31:17.006 --> 00:31:27.226
i just think that he appealed to a huge swath of voters whether he was a criminal

00:31:27.226 --> 00:31:36.626
or not whether he did this or not and because of all the issues out there people just thought that,

00:31:37.446 --> 00:31:41.486
That voting for Trump would give them a better life.

00:31:41.726 --> 00:31:45.286
They'd be able to afford what they did before.

00:31:45.706 --> 00:31:53.346
And it was a choice. And the Democrats' messaging wasn't exactly the greatest either.

00:31:54.066 --> 00:31:59.826
And I don't understand, Eric, for the life of me, why Trump.

00:32:00.879 --> 00:32:08.439
The Democrats kept and Biden kept perpetuating the fable that the economy was

00:32:08.439 --> 00:32:10.319
so great. It may have. It was.

00:32:10.639 --> 00:32:15.539
However, people weren't feeling that. It's the old Rolling Stone headline,

00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:17.719
Perception versus Reality.

00:32:18.239 --> 00:32:21.479
You know, that was one of their famous Rolling Stones.

00:32:21.899 --> 00:32:28.279
Guys, the Rolling Stone magazine, famous ad campaigns, Perception versus Reality.

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.939
And people perceived what

00:32:31.939 --> 00:32:35.079
was going on in their lives with with all these

00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.819
these issues so yeah they were

00:32:37.819 --> 00:32:45.059
able to turn away from the democrats and and kamala and biden and of course

00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:50.279
we have to throw in the issue of biden's foibles let's put it that way i won't

00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:56.459
say anything else but And the media and the government,

00:32:56.719 --> 00:33:02.859
the White House, I believe that voters really thought that they were being gaslighted

00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:05.339
and they didn't like that either.

00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:14.639
So in the aggregate, I believe that all of those things contributed to Trump's re-election.

00:33:15.239 --> 00:33:21.359
Kamala made a mistake in picking Tim Walz as her vice president.

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.099
She should have picked Josh Shapiro.

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:30.759
However, she was obviously afraid of offending Arabs. And I'm from Dearborn, Michigan.

00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.699
So, you know, hey, I have a lot of friends there and I understand what the deal is.

00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:41.179
However, from a political reality, she would have been a hell of a lot better off picking Shapiro.

00:33:41.539 --> 00:33:44.499
She may have won had she picked Shapiro.

00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:50.619
I don't know what you think, but she may have won. She came out of the gate, right out of the gate.

00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:57.579
She was great at the convention. and she did get the energy there was a lot

00:33:57.579 --> 00:34:01.879
of energy and and excitement about her candidacy.

00:34:02.999 --> 00:34:07.459
Understandably the first woman potential

00:34:07.459 --> 00:34:15.579
president of the united states i just i just think that that she did run an

00:34:15.579 --> 00:34:22.479
excellent campaign she did and that's due to her her staffing Jen O'Malley and

00:34:22.479 --> 00:34:23.379
some of the other people.

00:34:23.759 --> 00:34:30.319
However, I just don't think that she was able, for a variety of reasons,

00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:35.239
to rise to the occasion and get across the finish line.

00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.719
Her communications, you know what I've already said about that.

00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.639
She, to me, was constitutionally incapable of communicating.

00:34:46.319 --> 00:34:51.859
That's just me. She did great in the debate against Trump. She did a great job.

00:34:52.439 --> 00:34:55.819
However, when it came to those unscripted.

00:34:57.036 --> 00:35:07.416
Encounters with the press or anyone else. He was incapable of doing it, in my opinion.

00:35:07.776 --> 00:35:13.236
Meanwhile, you got Trump off there, you know, doing his little dance and talking

00:35:13.236 --> 00:35:16.836
to everybody and, you know, connecting with everybody.

00:35:17.116 --> 00:35:22.056
And it was the antithesis of Kamala Harris.

00:35:22.056 --> 00:35:25.216
And i think that democrats

00:35:25.216 --> 00:35:28.576
now are really rethinking their messaging

00:35:28.576 --> 00:35:31.636
there's a good piece in the new republic which i

00:35:31.636 --> 00:35:35.656
read about trump 2.0 except in

00:35:35.656 --> 00:35:39.196
in this scenario it's all the horror things

00:35:39.196 --> 00:35:42.456
that will happen to america under trump

00:35:42.456 --> 00:35:45.676
everything it's it's it's a litany of

00:35:45.676 --> 00:35:49.316
of a shit show of trump

00:35:49.316 --> 00:35:52.136
47 so you know

00:35:52.136 --> 00:35:55.036
who knows what's going to happen i know

00:35:55.036 --> 00:36:01.656
that trump is vengeful i'm sure he's going to take out all sorts of revenge

00:36:01.656 --> 00:36:10.036
on his opponents because that's part of his his his personality his sociopathic

00:36:10.036 --> 00:36:14.836
personality and other things In the article in The New Republic,

00:36:14.856 --> 00:36:16.856
they talked about Schedule F.

00:36:17.116 --> 00:36:23.676
And I don't think that Trump is going to round up every illegal alien.

00:36:24.970 --> 00:36:33.130
Post-haste and send them out of the country at gunpoint, although I can understand

00:36:33.130 --> 00:36:38.710
why Democrats are concerned about Trump 2.0.

00:36:38.910 --> 00:36:42.950
It's a good article. Nina Burley writes it in The New Republic,

00:36:43.490 --> 00:36:44.810
and I read The New Republic.

00:36:45.130 --> 00:36:47.990
So it's worth taking a look at,

00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:52.430
although I think the scare tactics,

00:36:52.430 --> 00:36:55.250
i believe are unwarranted we're going to have to

00:36:55.250 --> 00:36:58.970
see how this whole thing shakes out his presidency

00:36:58.970 --> 00:37:06.370
i'm sure he'll make some he'll make some decent reforms however i don't know

00:37:06.370 --> 00:37:14.170
and some of his nominees at that uh matt gates my god i don't know if you want

00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:16.510
to go yeah i mean Yeah, because,

00:37:16.770 --> 00:37:24.810
see, my thing with a lot of the people that a lot of the concern that that people have, including me,

00:37:25.370 --> 00:37:30.690
because my joke when he was president the first time was whenever I went to

00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:36.110
D.C., I said, please take me by the department, the the the archive, National Archives.

00:37:36.370 --> 00:37:39.870
And they say, well, I just want to make sure the Constitution is still on display

00:37:39.870 --> 00:37:44.290
because he doesn't give a damn about the Constitution one way or the other.

00:37:45.450 --> 00:37:51.030
And I'm more concerned about it this time because, one, he's been in office

00:37:51.030 --> 00:37:57.410
before, so he he has a better grasp this time of what he can and can't get away with.

00:37:57.810 --> 00:38:03.290
And he's going to have people that are not going to tell him no as quick.

00:38:03.930 --> 00:38:10.570
Now, the Matt Gaetz thing is a sign that there may still be a pulse right in D.C.

00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:14.990
Because, you know, out of all the names that came out, Matt Gaetz was like,

00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:18.910
yeah, he's not acceptable because you had Republican senators saying,

00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:20.410
yeah, I'm not voting for this guy.

00:38:20.990 --> 00:38:26.630
You literally had a debate whether my guest, who's a representative from Mississippi

00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:31.830
on the Ethics Commission, was kind of like, yeah, we found some things,

00:38:31.970 --> 00:38:34.850
but I'm not at liberty to say it because now he's resigned.

00:38:34.850 --> 00:38:37.530
And I don't know what the speaker wants to do.

00:38:37.790 --> 00:38:44.490
But there was a lot of hesitancy with him. And then that John Thune was picked

00:38:44.490 --> 00:38:49.330
as the majority leader instead of Rick Scott, who Trump wanted,

00:38:50.290 --> 00:38:52.310
that looks like perception.

00:38:52.550 --> 00:39:03.750
That looks like that there is still some backbone within the Republican Party

00:39:03.750 --> 00:39:11.890
and that they're going to not let President Trump do everything that he wants to do.

00:39:13.276 --> 00:39:19.076
But, you know, I just, I don't, I'm with you on the, the nominee.

00:39:19.236 --> 00:39:22.736
I just, I mean, you know, the whole concept of that is supposed to be,

00:39:22.836 --> 00:39:26.936
you're supposed to be trying to get the best and the brightest in a position

00:39:26.936 --> 00:39:29.696
to push your policy. Right.

00:39:30.916 --> 00:39:34.396
And I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he's doing that.

00:39:34.536 --> 00:39:37.836
I think he's just picking who looks good on television. Right.

00:39:38.516 --> 00:39:40.776
Because Tulsi Gabbard's been on TV.

00:39:41.576 --> 00:39:46.356
Gates is on TV all the time. The lady that he picked to replace Gates, she's been on TV.

00:39:47.176 --> 00:39:51.636
Huckabee had a TV show. You know what I'm saying? All these all these folks.

00:39:52.116 --> 00:39:55.796
I mean, even the guy for the secretary of defense. Yeah, he served his country,

00:39:55.856 --> 00:39:58.376
but he's I mean, he wasn't a general.

00:39:58.576 --> 00:40:02.516
You know what I'm saying? So it's like now you're going to elevate him over

00:40:02.516 --> 00:40:06.876
all these people to be over the Department of Defense. If you wanted to be secretary

00:40:06.876 --> 00:40:08.776
of the army, that makes sense.

00:40:08.956 --> 00:40:13.536
But the actual secretary of defense, you know, I.

00:40:14.256 --> 00:40:19.976
So, yeah, I have some. We haven't even got to any policy discussion yet.

00:40:19.976 --> 00:40:23.656
It's just like I just believe that if you're going if you're serious about the

00:40:23.656 --> 00:40:30.616
job and and you really are committed to doing something because 76 million people

00:40:30.616 --> 00:40:32.316
voted for you to do your job.

00:40:32.316 --> 00:40:35.156
Right it's like like you

00:40:35.156 --> 00:40:38.876
said people have hopes and they have dreams and

00:40:38.876 --> 00:40:43.176
they have concerns that they want you to address you

00:40:43.176 --> 00:40:45.856
know so it's like he didn't rise to the

00:40:45.856 --> 00:40:52.056
occasion last time and based on what i'm looking at with his appointments i

00:40:52.056 --> 00:40:58.036
don't think he's going to rise to the occasion again but so i mean what you

00:40:58.036 --> 00:41:03.496
you've been up there you you've lived that life you've you've been on that side of the Potomac River.

00:41:04.956 --> 00:41:11.616
Do you think that the natural instinct of people that are elected,

00:41:11.856 --> 00:41:15.396
people that are in Congress, are going to outweigh.

00:41:17.273 --> 00:41:24.813
His desire to get revenge, his desire to just do what he wants to do. No.

00:41:25.553 --> 00:41:28.693
And regarding Thune, I'll tell you about Thune.

00:41:28.893 --> 00:41:34.693
I think Thune was a compromise candidate between Scott and Cornyn.

00:41:34.853 --> 00:41:39.193
And Cornyn was entirely not suitable for this. Okay.

00:41:39.753 --> 00:41:46.253
I don't think so. Trump is the kind of guy, he's a freaking steamroller.

00:41:46.253 --> 00:41:49.033
And he's going to get his own way

00:41:49.033 --> 00:41:52.093
and if you don't if you don't play ball with

00:41:52.093 --> 00:41:58.513
him you know you're freaking dead and and this is how he this is how he operates

00:41:58.513 --> 00:42:06.393
and as far as gates here's my theory on gate i think trump deliberately appointed

00:42:06.393 --> 00:42:11.433
him to get him out of the house He resigns from the House,

00:42:12.293 --> 00:42:15.533
deliberately appoints him knowing he's going to go down.

00:42:15.793 --> 00:42:21.753
There's no way that the Senate's going to confirm this clown.

00:42:22.033 --> 00:42:30.153
So the guy gets out and now he has nowhere to go.

00:42:30.153 --> 00:42:37.573
And he thinks that he's going to get Rubio's Senate seat when Trump is going

00:42:37.573 --> 00:42:42.413
to appoint his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, to that Senate seat.

00:42:43.313 --> 00:42:46.953
And then here's Gates twisting in the wind.

00:42:49.453 --> 00:42:56.313
There's talk today that, oh, he'll try to reclaim his seat.

00:42:56.313 --> 00:43:01.493
He resigned in the House. Well, he's unable to do it until next year to try

00:43:01.493 --> 00:43:06.633
to get his seat back, or he's thinking he'll run for governor of Florida.

00:43:06.953 --> 00:43:13.833
Well, you know, it'd be a cold day in hell when Gates would be elected the governor of Florida.

00:43:13.973 --> 00:43:18.073
So I think this was a rather strategic plan.

00:43:18.741 --> 00:43:21.561
To get gates the hell

00:43:21.561 --> 00:43:25.101
out of politics i know that sounds weird but

00:43:25.101 --> 00:43:28.081
that's where my strange head is going as far

00:43:28.081 --> 00:43:31.381
as gates now i i may i

00:43:31.381 --> 00:43:34.421
may be reading too much in to this and doing all

00:43:34.421 --> 00:43:37.641
this analyzation but who the hell wants gates

00:43:37.641 --> 00:43:40.761
anywhere yeah republican politics i

00:43:40.761 --> 00:43:44.001
i agree i think you know he's he's been you

00:43:44.001 --> 00:43:47.061
know a very entitled person you know

00:43:47.061 --> 00:43:50.681
to get to where he is now technically

00:43:50.681 --> 00:43:53.641
he got re-elected so if he shows up

00:43:53.641 --> 00:43:58.141
the first week of january and raises his hand he can be reinstated to congress

00:43:58.141 --> 00:44:05.001
but then that opens the investigation back up if he decides to do that so you

00:44:05.001 --> 00:44:09.241
know he's he's got till the first week in january to decide if he's going to

00:44:09.241 --> 00:44:12.241
stay out of Congress or how he's going to play that.

00:44:12.361 --> 00:44:15.041
Now, of course, his friend Marjorie Taylor Greene has said, I'm going to tell

00:44:15.041 --> 00:44:18.961
everybody's business if y'all keep going after Gates.

00:44:19.701 --> 00:44:27.061
They're going to be like, we don't care. You know, I tend to agree with you

00:44:27.061 --> 00:44:32.881
that I think they wanted him to take that fall, but Donald Trump doesn't like failure.

00:44:34.009 --> 00:44:38.989
So, you know, he doesn't want to say that he made a mistake or anything like that.

00:44:39.149 --> 00:44:42.509
So, you know, what kind of spin would he put on that?

00:44:43.109 --> 00:44:46.669
You know, I think the best thing to have. I don't know what kind of deal he made.

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:51.529
You don't know what kind of deal he made. This thing, the machinations,

00:44:51.849 --> 00:44:57.669
the political machinations to get rid of this guy, Trump might be able to just eat that.

00:44:58.249 --> 00:45:03.569
And whatever, what favor did he get in return? You know, this is what the whole thing is.

00:45:04.009 --> 00:45:08.689
What did he get in return for annihilating Gates, for example?

00:45:09.889 --> 00:45:14.829
The quid pro quo and Marjorie Taylor Greene, please.

00:45:15.369 --> 00:45:20.989
My God, Congress is not what it used to be. The House isn't what it used to be.

00:45:21.289 --> 00:45:25.789
That whack job does not belong in the U.S. House of Representatives.

00:45:26.429 --> 00:45:30.049
Period. Full stop. It's an embarrassment.

00:45:30.049 --> 00:45:33.529
She's an she's an abject embarrassment

00:45:33.529 --> 00:45:37.689
to the reputation of of

00:45:37.689 --> 00:45:43.309
congress of the house of representatives and anyone who served before who's

00:45:43.309 --> 00:45:49.549
dead is rolling in their grave you know this is insane as far as his other appointees

00:45:49.549 --> 00:45:53.969
okay he stuck pan bondy in there yeah she's a tv talking head.

00:45:54.909 --> 00:45:58.309
He's put Pete Hagseth as deck def.

00:45:58.869 --> 00:46:01.969
Now, you know, I don't know how that thing's going to shake out.

00:46:02.089 --> 00:46:05.709
They're saying that one is pretty shaky, Hagseth.

00:46:05.969 --> 00:46:12.869
However, I don't see him tailed between his legs, trotting back to Fox and sitting,

00:46:13.749 --> 00:46:17.869
as a host on the Fox weekend or whatever it is.

00:46:18.029 --> 00:46:20.249
I don't know what the hell's going to happen with that.

00:46:20.449 --> 00:46:22.649
For some reason, I see him getting in, but.

00:46:23.909 --> 00:46:27.309
The skin of his ass you know who else

00:46:27.309 --> 00:46:30.609
do we have there we've got we've the

00:46:30.609 --> 00:46:34.729
linda mcmahon secretary of education wwe

00:46:34.729 --> 00:46:37.609
she's been on tv enough who else

00:46:37.609 --> 00:46:42.389
has been on tv i had mentioned uh tulsi gabbard the former congress yeah yeah

00:46:42.389 --> 00:46:47.489
she's been all over the place she's been all over the place the you knew that

00:46:47.489 --> 00:46:54.989
was going to happen and then as national security advisor i don't know how qualified she is for that.

00:46:55.189 --> 00:47:03.109
But then again, you got to understand that these political appointments are payback.

00:47:03.349 --> 00:47:07.849
This is what happens. It's not necessarily the most qualified person.

00:47:08.369 --> 00:47:15.889
It's payback. I worked for the government for a while in one of my previous incarnations.

00:47:15.889 --> 00:47:19.669
I was a senior white house political appointee

00:47:19.669 --> 00:47:22.849
under george bush of

00:47:22.849 --> 00:47:25.609
41 so i get assigned to one

00:47:25.609 --> 00:47:28.729
agency and the guy who's the head of the agency

00:47:28.729 --> 00:47:33.609
it's a small business administration was is

00:47:33.609 --> 00:47:39.969
the owner of fleral bruce gelb so bruce gelb comes in there he's entirely clueless

00:47:39.969 --> 00:47:45.409
and every time i saw him he asked me did you do something different with your

00:47:45.409 --> 00:47:53.309
hair honest to god every time he he talked what did you do with your hair i mean the guy was just.

00:47:54.381 --> 00:47:57.281
Incompetent well he did work for marty he

00:47:57.281 --> 00:48:00.101
did work for clairell i mean you know that that would be

00:48:00.101 --> 00:48:02.781
that's kind of where he was making his money so he was going to

00:48:02.781 --> 00:48:05.961
notice the loan clairell but still

00:48:05.961 --> 00:48:12.561
you know what a dumbass comment to say to someone who's i was you know he was

00:48:12.561 --> 00:48:17.661
unable to have a normal conversation with someone you know and he had to say

00:48:17.661 --> 00:48:24.581
something dumbass like that you know I saw so much when I was a political appointee,

00:48:24.941 --> 00:48:26.841
so much incompetence.

00:48:26.921 --> 00:48:30.241
This was a Republican administration. I couldn't believe it.

00:48:31.201 --> 00:48:37.341
I saw more competence among the civil servants than I did the political appointees.

00:48:37.501 --> 00:48:41.941
It was just a, can you say the F word on this? No.

00:48:43.521 --> 00:48:47.461
You don't say the F word here. Okay. It was just an effing joke.

00:48:47.461 --> 00:48:52.801
I mean, honest to God, I worked for two different agencies and I've never seen

00:48:52.801 --> 00:48:54.701
anything like it so much.

00:48:55.061 --> 00:49:01.701
Oh, my God. You know, I actually got somebody fired who was a career civil servant

00:49:01.701 --> 00:49:07.301
because he was sitting in his office with a door closed, writing a book.

00:49:07.341 --> 00:49:09.061
He'd already written books before.

00:49:09.261 --> 00:49:13.501
So I had to get so much book on this guy to get his ass fired.

00:49:13.501 --> 00:49:17.261
But I actually got a career civil servant fired.

00:49:17.461 --> 00:49:23.101
And it's impossible. It's almost impossible to dislodge them once they're in.

00:49:23.261 --> 00:49:28.321
They're like cockroaches. The roaches check in and they never check out.

00:49:30.181 --> 00:49:38.621
And Gelb, the Clairol dude, ended up being the pointed ambassador to the Seychelles.

00:49:38.841 --> 00:49:39.761
Is that how you say it? Yeah.

00:49:40.481 --> 00:49:46.861
They shuffled him off somewhere else because he was a big donor. I'm so jaded, Eric.

00:49:47.461 --> 00:49:50.801
And honestly, I'm so bloody jaded. I understand.

00:49:51.161 --> 00:49:55.401
And, you know, these national politics will get that way.

00:49:55.581 --> 00:50:01.981
But let's see if we can wrap this up a little bit, because I want to pick your

00:50:01.981 --> 00:50:05.381
brain just like I did and asking you who you thought was going to win.

00:50:06.101 --> 00:50:10.961
You know, there's a lot of talk about what Trump's going to do when he first

00:50:10.961 --> 00:50:15.841
gets in. And one of the things he is talking about is getting rid of a lot of

00:50:15.841 --> 00:50:18.861
the getting rid of that civil service protection.

00:50:20.621 --> 00:50:26.381
And he's and he's talking about even though he said he only had a concept of

00:50:26.381 --> 00:50:30.801
a plan that he wants to deal with the Affordable Care Act.

00:50:30.921 --> 00:50:33.961
He wants to modify it, do something.

00:50:34.481 --> 00:50:38.561
He had one proposal back in the day to make it so that.

00:50:40.671 --> 00:50:46.891
States. Like if you lived in Georgia and you saw that Mississippi had a cheaper

00:50:46.891 --> 00:50:49.791
rate, that he would allow people to do that.

00:50:50.111 --> 00:50:52.931
That was one positive thing he wanted to do.

00:50:53.071 --> 00:50:56.911
But, you know, usually when you open it up to do, quote unquote,

00:50:57.051 --> 00:51:02.671
a positive thing, then all sorts of other stuff, you know, happens when you

00:51:02.671 --> 00:51:04.231
when you reopen legislation.

00:51:05.331 --> 00:51:09.331
I remember I wanted to change something in the state legislature,

00:51:09.331 --> 00:51:13.771
Mississippi, and, but I was going to open the landlord tenant act and nobody

00:51:13.771 --> 00:51:19.531
wanted that reopened because they didn't want the realtor association to get in there and mess it up.

00:51:19.671 --> 00:51:23.831
And, you know, they felt they had a pretty good compromise and they took 30

00:51:23.831 --> 00:51:26.131
years to get that passed. And they were like, Oh, Fleming, no,

00:51:26.191 --> 00:51:27.631
no, we're not going to do that. You know what I'm saying?

00:51:27.831 --> 00:51:30.611
So I get that there's some reluctance in that.

00:51:31.051 --> 00:51:35.711
What do you think that Trump is going to be able to do in his first hundred

00:51:35.711 --> 00:51:41.251
days that we as voters, as political observers, need to watch out for?

00:51:41.931 --> 00:51:48.611
I don't think he's going to touch the Affordable Care Act in the first 100 days.

00:51:49.071 --> 00:51:56.691
And I have no idea, Eric, what he wants to do with it. What's so bad about the Affordable Care Act?

00:51:57.431 --> 00:52:00.871
Doesn't it permit people to get insurance?

00:52:01.511 --> 00:52:04.411
What's he going to do to it to make it any different or any

00:52:04.411 --> 00:52:08.531
better that's the point i i

00:52:08.531 --> 00:52:12.051
honestly don't think he's going to touch that the first

00:52:12.051 --> 00:52:18.931
thing he's going to do is he's going to crack down on all these uh migrants

00:52:18.931 --> 00:52:23.371
in the country that's what i think he's going to do he already said it i'm not

00:52:23.371 --> 00:52:29.731
saying anything that anybody doesn't know So as far as taking away civil service protection,

00:52:30.151 --> 00:52:36.611
I think that he's hell-bent on reforming civil service.

00:52:36.891 --> 00:52:43.271
And he's hell-bent on firing thousands of federal employees.

00:52:43.771 --> 00:52:49.451
You know that. That's what he wants to do. He and Elon and that Doge, you know.

00:52:51.831 --> 00:52:55.411
Doge. I wrote a headline that said, who let the Doge out?

00:52:56.511 --> 00:53:02.171
But, you know, I mean, really, that's what they're going to do.

00:53:02.311 --> 00:53:10.311
They're going to go in there with a machete and they're going to slash, you know, everything.

00:53:10.571 --> 00:53:15.571
They're going to slash employees. They're going to slash government agencies.

00:53:15.891 --> 00:53:24.891
They're going to get rid of all the people they think, all the jobs they think are expendable.

00:53:24.891 --> 00:53:31.211
You can call them the expendables that's what they're going to do and I think between the.

00:53:32.291 --> 00:53:41.951
Getting rid of the migrants imported by the Biden administration and the federal

00:53:41.951 --> 00:53:43.911
agencies and civil service,

00:53:44.471 --> 00:53:51.091
I think those are a couple of things that they're going to do right away.

00:53:51.231 --> 00:53:55.691
And federal employees should be just cracking in their pants because they don't

00:53:55.691 --> 00:53:57.951
know what's going to happen.

00:53:58.071 --> 00:54:01.771
They don't know their future. you know throw them

00:54:01.771 --> 00:54:06.011
out on the street so they can collect government benefits i

00:54:06.011 --> 00:54:08.991
don't know i just don't know and i'm i'm trying

00:54:08.991 --> 00:54:12.391
to think of i mean do you have any ideas what

00:54:12.391 --> 00:54:15.751
he's going to do in his first hundred days

00:54:15.751 --> 00:54:19.431
do you think he'll implement that schedule f yeah

00:54:19.431 --> 00:54:22.211
and i think that's that's the main thing because if he

00:54:22.211 --> 00:54:27.871
if he does that and and i'm gonna i'm gonna say it to you And I've said it to

00:54:27.871 --> 00:54:32.611
my listeners and stuff that that actually is a black or African-American issue

00:54:32.611 --> 00:54:38.571
because the biggest employer of African-Americans in the United States is the

00:54:38.571 --> 00:54:40.771
government, whether it's federal, state, local.

00:54:41.431 --> 00:54:47.891
And so if you're going to get rid of that many government employees,

00:54:47.891 --> 00:54:53.931
well, that's going to have a major impact on the black community because a lot

00:54:53.931 --> 00:54:56.131
of black people work for the federal government.

00:54:57.311 --> 00:55:03.351
So I think, you know, that that's that was that was when that project 2025 first

00:55:03.351 --> 00:55:06.271
came out, that was the first thing that kind of got my attention.

00:55:06.731 --> 00:55:10.811
I think I'm with you. I think he's going to deal with that first.

00:55:11.111 --> 00:55:19.271
And I think he really does have a desire to try to address the immigration issue.

00:55:20.867 --> 00:55:23.607
But he's not going to be able to get rid of 11 million people.

00:55:24.247 --> 00:55:27.527
He's already some of his folks already dumbed that down and said,

00:55:27.667 --> 00:55:30.587
well, you know, he's probably going to get rid of a million,

00:55:30.867 --> 00:55:33.167
you know, a year or whatever the case may be.

00:55:33.247 --> 00:55:36.587
But that still has four million people you're talking about trying to do in four years.

00:55:37.867 --> 00:55:41.087
Yeah. So, you know, I think that's all going to be smoke and mirrors.

00:55:41.327 --> 00:55:46.267
I don't think that's going to be anywhere close to the numbers that he's talking about.

00:55:46.267 --> 00:55:52.367
I think I think what they want to do is like in the first four years,

00:55:53.127 --> 00:55:57.087
create something when he was separating the families and all that.

00:55:57.447 --> 00:56:03.527
Try to create a deterrence and try to keep people from coming to the United States.

00:56:04.147 --> 00:56:08.227
I don't think he realistically can get rid of 11 million folks.

00:56:08.427 --> 00:56:14.147
I don't think, you know, we we we can expend that kind of resource to do that.

00:56:15.387 --> 00:56:19.747
But you know but he's gonna build the wall well again

00:56:19.747 --> 00:56:22.587
i think it's all gonna be smoking mirrors i think he's gonna do like he did

00:56:22.587 --> 00:56:26.747
last time he's gonna he's gonna push through i mean biden ended up building

00:56:26.747 --> 00:56:32.527
more of his wall than he did you know because a lot of the deadlines fell under

00:56:32.527 --> 00:56:36.647
biden's administration the body was like look it's in the it's in the budget

00:56:36.647 --> 00:56:38.047
we got to put it up you You know,

00:56:39.027 --> 00:56:43.687
but yeah, I think he's just going to, you know, he'll he'll have some spaces.

00:56:44.507 --> 00:56:48.547
He's going to get somebody who's going to there's some federal land available

00:56:48.547 --> 00:56:51.747
in Texas. He's going to round up some people and put them out there.

00:56:52.007 --> 00:56:55.487
And I don't know if they're going to be intense or what the deal is,

00:56:55.567 --> 00:56:57.367
but it's going to be a show.

00:56:57.987 --> 00:57:03.567
All I think is just going to be a show to try to discourage people from immigrating

00:57:03.567 --> 00:57:07.867
into the United States and try to get the numbers down and all that.

00:57:07.887 --> 00:57:13.587
But as far as actually working on the problem and having a comprehensive solution

00:57:13.587 --> 00:57:15.967
to the problem, I don't see that happening.

00:57:17.131 --> 00:57:21.931
Well, you know, he wants the Venezuelan gang, Trende Aragua.

00:57:22.271 --> 00:57:29.611
I mean, that gang has spread countrywide. And I know that he's concerned about that gang and crime.

00:57:29.931 --> 00:57:35.031
Maybe he'll go after those people first, you know, to get them out of there.

00:57:35.191 --> 00:57:40.091
Because, you know, that's really worrisome.

00:57:40.491 --> 00:57:45.971
And as far as civil servants, let me tell you, the best employees I ever worked

00:57:45.971 --> 00:57:48.731
with or supervised are the black employees.

00:57:48.991 --> 00:57:52.331
I got along so well with them. They were so competent.

00:57:52.851 --> 00:57:58.771
And it would be a crying shame if they're the ones who get hit by this.

00:57:59.111 --> 00:58:04.451
If I were Trump, I'd get rid of all the political, the white dude and dudette

00:58:04.451 --> 00:58:07.471
political appointees who were morons.

00:58:07.751 --> 00:58:12.551
And then some of these other white guys who were in there who don't know shit from Shinola.

00:58:12.911 --> 00:58:15.791
You know, I saw it. You know, I'm not making this up.

00:58:16.251 --> 00:58:21.871
And keep the solid employees. I had the best.

00:58:21.991 --> 00:58:29.411
I was so impressed with the my employees in this one department and and agency wide.

00:58:31.238 --> 00:58:39.138
And I would think based on merit that the black federal employees to be sitting

00:58:39.138 --> 00:58:43.478
pretty, although you just don't know, you know, I, again,

00:58:44.518 --> 00:58:50.798
why, why, why get rid of, why jettison the excellent employees in favor of these

00:58:50.798 --> 00:58:53.758
doofuses who don't know. Because it's going to be a loyalty test.

00:58:53.958 --> 00:58:59.578
I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's the whole premise. It's like, and that's the concern.

00:58:59.578 --> 00:59:04.958
And it's like if you if you have fidelity to President Trump and his administration,

00:59:04.958 --> 00:59:10.838
that's a plus for you. If you are an independent person, that's like,

00:59:10.998 --> 00:59:13.518
I'm going to do what the procedures are.

00:59:13.658 --> 00:59:18.338
I'm going to do with what what's the guidelines of the agency.

00:59:18.898 --> 00:59:23.198
He doesn't necessarily want that. At least that's that's the perception he's given.

00:59:23.478 --> 00:59:29.498
So the more competent you are, the more likely you'll probably get released because he.

00:59:29.578 --> 00:59:34.978
He wants people who are loyal to him, and that's the concern.

00:59:35.218 --> 00:59:41.338
The thing is, that's why they have political appointees. They just flood these

00:59:41.338 --> 00:59:45.898
agencies with all these loyalists, you know, these political appointees.

00:59:46.058 --> 00:59:49.858
Each agency has a liaison office with the White House.

00:59:49.998 --> 00:59:53.818
I mean, it's just unbelievable. There's somebody stuck there,

00:59:53.978 --> 00:59:59.898
some political hack in this office of liaison between the White House.

01:00:00.078 --> 01:00:08.638
And all these, you know, I saw a woman, a young girl in my department who was

01:00:08.638 --> 01:00:12.278
put there because her father donated money and all this.

01:00:12.398 --> 01:00:19.238
I mean, it's just, it's just, it's reprehensible in my opinion. It really is.

01:00:19.378 --> 01:00:27.498
I just don't like it at all. You know, let's get jobs based on merit and don't

01:00:27.498 --> 01:00:30.358
put people in positions that don't.

01:00:31.085 --> 01:00:34.925
Which they are way over their skis and i

01:00:34.925 --> 01:00:41.465
saw it at the voice of america i saw it in other places too you know and and

01:00:41.465 --> 01:00:51.745
that if if if elon's and the vapes doge goes after people like that then yay

01:00:51.745 --> 01:00:53.865
hey, you know, get him out of there.

01:00:55.025 --> 01:00:59.185
I don't know. But if past is prologue,

01:00:59.905 --> 01:01:08.885
then Trump will continue the tradition of appointing the usual suspects who

01:01:08.885 --> 01:01:10.845
crawl right up his rear, you know,

01:01:11.425 --> 01:01:15.025
and who have given money and whatever their time and all that.

01:01:15.325 --> 01:01:23.125
And I just absolutely loathe that practice. But, you know, what do I know? Who am I? I'm nobody.

01:01:23.545 --> 01:01:26.685
I didn't work for Trump. I ain't getting a job.

01:01:26.865 --> 01:01:32.425
You know that. You were a member of representatives. You were a politician in Missouri.

01:01:32.765 --> 01:01:38.805
You know what the thrill is. Yeah. Eric? It's Mississippi.

01:01:40.445 --> 01:01:46.205
Or was it Mississippi? Yeah, it's Mississippi, but it's the same in Missouri or anywhere else.

01:01:46.345 --> 01:01:50.305
I mean, everybody knows about the grift and all that stuff.

01:01:50.985 --> 01:01:55.525
And i didn't play the game which is why i only served so many years i didn't

01:01:55.525 --> 01:02:01.105
i didn't stay up there for 20 or 30 like some other folks but that's why i love

01:02:01.105 --> 01:02:06.585
you because you're real and you have principles and i just you know i could

01:02:06.585 --> 01:02:09.085
feel it i just feel it you have principles,

01:02:09.645 --> 01:02:16.265
and i admire and respect you so much eric for everything you've done hey you

01:02:16.265 --> 01:02:17.725
rolled the dice you were in there.

01:02:19.285 --> 01:02:25.505
I can make the same argument for you, Marty, because you've been in it from a.

01:02:27.269 --> 01:02:31.869
Government side and you've been in it from a media side. And so, you know, the,

01:02:32.069 --> 01:02:38.789
that's why I'm glad that we've, we've met and, you know, try to get you on so

01:02:38.789 --> 01:02:42.589
people can hear that kind of perspective, you know, because I think,

01:02:42.629 --> 01:02:44.169
I think people need to hear,

01:02:44.449 --> 01:02:46.749
need to hear something real.

01:02:46.989 --> 01:02:50.269
And so I, I'm just glad. So look,

01:02:50.369 --> 01:02:53.989
I'm gonna have to let you go because we could, we could talk for hours.

01:02:54.649 --> 01:02:57.789
Hey you know you're in georgia are you

01:02:57.789 --> 01:03:00.969
and you know my daughter's in georgia maybe i

01:03:00.969 --> 01:03:04.929
can maybe i can connect with you when i

01:03:04.929 --> 01:03:08.549
go there she's in woodstock oh that's not that's not that far from where i am

01:03:08.549 --> 01:03:13.869
i'm i'm up around in sandy springs marietta that area over there well if my

01:03:13.869 --> 01:03:21.869
son-in-law works at yamaha motors u.s headquarters in marietta he got hey that's we're going to talk.

01:03:22.969 --> 01:03:27.689
We'll talk about all that off the air. We'll make those the right.

01:03:28.329 --> 01:03:30.529
Yeah, we're still recording.

01:03:31.429 --> 01:03:34.549
So, but look, no, no, we're good. We're good.

01:03:34.729 --> 01:03:39.529
We're good. So look, Marty, let's go ahead and end that so we can finish that conversation.

01:03:39.929 --> 01:03:42.969
Thank you for coming on the podcast. I greatly appreciate you.

01:03:43.469 --> 01:03:46.129
And all right, guys, and we're going to catch y'all on the other

01:03:46.129 --> 01:04:06.549
side all right and.

01:03:49.680 --> 01:04:08.560
Music.

01:04:06.549 --> 01:04:13.009
We are back so marty thank you again for uh taking the time out to come on the

01:04:13.009 --> 01:04:14.809
podcast. I greatly appreciate it.

01:04:16.249 --> 01:04:20.809
And yeah, yeah, I look forward to hanging out with you when you're in Georgia.

01:04:20.989 --> 01:04:26.349
That's for all of my friends in the program. Whenever we can get together, that'd be great.

01:04:26.809 --> 01:04:32.549
One day I'll be able to entertain and do that kind of stuff.

01:04:32.669 --> 01:04:37.689
But right now, I just value the time that we share on the podcast.

01:04:38.389 --> 01:04:42.529
And I hope that y'all got something out of that as far as you know,

01:04:42.649 --> 01:04:44.689
how people are feeling and all that kind of stuff.

01:04:44.889 --> 01:04:52.509
But real quick, I do want to address a couple of things real quick.

01:04:52.689 --> 01:04:59.969
And one, you know, I want to understand people.

01:05:00.669 --> 01:05:03.969
I make it a point to try to get people.

01:05:04.961 --> 01:05:09.081
Just to where people come from, if I understand the history,

01:05:09.421 --> 01:05:11.621
then I can understand the action.

01:05:11.821 --> 01:05:16.461
That's the way I've always been. When I go to another city, whether to live

01:05:16.461 --> 01:05:21.181
or visit, I would like to be there to understand the history of that place.

01:05:21.741 --> 01:05:26.101
So I can understand why things are the way they are. And I definitely want to

01:05:26.101 --> 01:05:29.541
understand that with people. If I know a little bit about you,

01:05:29.741 --> 01:05:34.301
then I can kind of understand why you do the things you do.

01:05:34.881 --> 01:05:40.721
Could be anything for why you support a particular sports team or why you wanted

01:05:40.721 --> 01:05:44.201
to go in a particular profession or in the case of politics,

01:05:44.201 --> 01:05:48.301
why you push for certain issues, why you vote for certain things.

01:05:48.301 --> 01:05:52.301
The difference with politics is that, you know,

01:05:52.741 --> 01:05:59.601
actions that any of us take when we're elected has a greater impact on more

01:05:59.601 --> 01:06:03.381
than just us or more than just our immediate family surroundings.

01:06:03.441 --> 01:06:07.021
It has a greater impact. And Robert F. Kennedy Sr.

01:06:08.181 --> 01:06:11.641
Talked about the ripples in the pond, right?

01:06:12.861 --> 01:06:18.001
So there's this congresswoman named Nancy Mace. And when she first got in there,

01:06:18.121 --> 01:06:19.781
I kind of respected her as a Republican.

01:06:20.001 --> 01:06:27.161
She was not, I guess, or at least the perception was that she was not an extremist.

01:06:27.261 --> 01:06:28.401
She just was a conservative.

01:06:31.281 --> 01:06:36.221
And, you know, as the time gets in there, and like a lot of people,

01:06:36.561 --> 01:06:41.761
when they get in a position of power and exposure, you know,

01:06:41.781 --> 01:06:45.461
people kind of gravitate to that. And they want to stay in it for as long as they can.

01:06:46.221 --> 01:06:51.501
And I don't have a problem with that if you don't let that be your motivation.

01:06:51.501 --> 01:06:57.101
If you take advantage of that to utilize the position to do help and do no harm,

01:06:58.061 --> 01:07:02.181
you know, your ego gets stroked a little bit. I'm not mad at you about that.

01:07:04.021 --> 01:07:10.281
But I really think this last little thing that she did is all about ego.

01:07:11.561 --> 01:07:15.621
Now, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. And if you're not aware of what I'm talking about,

01:07:17.201 --> 01:07:23.001
she wanted to, I guess it was a rule change she wanted to do or something,

01:07:23.661 --> 01:07:32.881
as she submitted to Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, to prohibit a new member

01:07:32.881 --> 01:07:38.261
of Congress from using the same bathroom that she would use.

01:07:38.261 --> 01:07:42.081
So Nancy Mace,

01:07:43.815 --> 01:07:50.955
white cisgendered female from North Carolina, just got reelected thanks to favorable

01:07:50.955 --> 01:07:53.655
gerrymandered redistricting, by the way.

01:07:55.035 --> 01:08:02.915
And a young lady, transgender lady from Delaware is now going to be the first

01:08:02.915 --> 01:08:06.695
transgender member of Congress. Her name is Sarah McBride.

01:08:08.455 --> 01:08:12.915
So Sarah, this is not like Sarah just popped out of nowhere.

01:08:13.095 --> 01:08:15.775
She was a state legislator in Delaware.

01:08:16.315 --> 01:08:22.555
And so she's filling, I believe, the slot that Lisa Rochester had in Congress.

01:08:22.555 --> 01:08:27.395
And now Lisa is going to be the junior senator from Delaware.

01:08:28.435 --> 01:08:32.115
And so Sarah got elected to Congress.

01:08:32.675 --> 01:08:40.175
And so, you know, it's like the freshman members come in like within a week

01:08:40.175 --> 01:08:43.275
of the election, they all show up to go through orientation,

01:08:43.655 --> 01:08:45.235
take their pictures and all that stuff.

01:08:45.935 --> 01:08:50.435
Well, it was during her orientation week that Nancy Mace decided that she wanted

01:08:50.435 --> 01:08:59.715
to take this stand and basically target Representative-elect McBride and basically

01:08:59.715 --> 01:09:02.535
send a shot across the bow saying,

01:09:02.535 --> 01:09:05.895
I don't want to see you in the same bathroom I have to go to, right?

01:09:06.675 --> 01:09:14.235
And I think that's kind of a messed up way to endear yourself or to introduce

01:09:14.235 --> 01:09:16.055
yourself to a new member of Congress.

01:09:16.995 --> 01:09:23.195
You know, as a black person, you know, it just kind of reminds me of what maybe

01:09:23.195 --> 01:09:26.775
Shirley Chisholm had to go through or John Conyers, you know,

01:09:27.255 --> 01:09:28.975
or an Oscar the priest or something like that.

01:09:28.975 --> 01:09:33.495
You know, people, Hiram Revelle's or Blanche K.

01:09:33.595 --> 01:09:36.995
Bruce, you know, when they first showed up in the building, you know,

01:09:37.735 --> 01:09:39.855
could they go to the cloakroom like everybody else?

01:09:39.975 --> 01:09:43.815
Could they go to the bathroom with other white members? You know what I'm saying?

01:09:45.035 --> 01:09:49.075
You know, during that era of segregation and all that kind of stuff.

01:09:50.075 --> 01:09:54.375
So as a black person understands history and understands human sensitivity,

01:09:54.375 --> 01:09:59.275
I just think that's a messed up way to kind of do it.

01:09:59.275 --> 01:10:03.395
And if you talk to Representative-elect McBride, she basically,

01:10:03.795 --> 01:10:05.935
it's, you know, she's not naive.

01:10:05.935 --> 01:10:11.095
She anticipated that there would be some kind of backlash, and she already had

01:10:11.095 --> 01:10:17.075
made arrangements or kind of put together a rule that she was just going to go,

01:10:17.295 --> 01:10:21.675
you know, or try to go to bathrooms that didn't have multi-stalls.

01:10:21.675 --> 01:10:31.095
So she wouldn't make people who haven't quite matured yet or haven't quite or wouldn't be accepting.

01:10:33.283 --> 01:10:36.403
Easy. And she made that decision on her own.

01:10:36.603 --> 01:10:41.143
She wasn't going to try to flout it or anything like that because her job,

01:10:41.323 --> 01:10:43.603
as she said, is to represent her constituents.

01:10:43.923 --> 01:10:47.803
She's not trying to make that point. She's already made it because she won the

01:10:47.803 --> 01:10:51.083
election and she's been in government for a number of years.

01:10:51.343 --> 01:10:55.503
So when it's time to deal with those issues, she'll deal with them,

01:10:55.583 --> 01:10:59.923
but she's not trying to make herself a martyr out of the issue.

01:11:00.863 --> 01:11:07.563
Role model, maybe, but martyr, no. And but now Nancy Mace, if you don't know

01:11:07.563 --> 01:11:11.963
her backstory, she was a victim of sexual assault.

01:11:12.743 --> 01:11:19.123
And so there are a number of people, I know black people, white people,

01:11:19.983 --> 01:11:29.183
Latino people, Asian people that have that opinion based on a previous traumatic

01:11:29.183 --> 01:11:30.883
event of sexual assault.

01:11:33.083 --> 01:11:41.063
And just the notion of somebody transgender being in the same bathroom, they go there with that.

01:11:41.603 --> 01:11:46.523
Whether you call it abnormal or whether you call it unhealthy or whatever the

01:11:46.523 --> 01:11:52.323
case may be, if we take people at the benefit of their word and give them the

01:11:52.323 --> 01:11:55.583
benefit of the doubt and try to be sensitive,

01:11:56.923 --> 01:11:58.043
that's an issue.

01:11:59.243 --> 01:12:06.163
But I would rather Nancy Mace had pulled Sarah McBride to the side,

01:12:06.323 --> 01:12:11.083
introduced herself and basically just kind of talk to her, you know,

01:12:11.203 --> 01:12:15.983
and all this kind of stuff instead of grandstanding and trying to make an issue

01:12:15.983 --> 01:12:18.903
and getting on every news media outlet or whatever,

01:12:19.583 --> 01:12:26.243
you know, and endear herself to the true social OAN Fox News crowd.

01:12:26.243 --> 01:12:29.743
Right you know it stir up something.

01:12:31.546 --> 01:12:35.906
It's funny when she says that she's a feminist, you know,

01:12:36.026 --> 01:12:46.706
and that she's not cool with all this because of her history of sexual assault,

01:12:46.806 --> 01:12:50.886
but yet you supported Donald Trump, friends with Matt Gaetz.

01:12:51.566 --> 01:12:56.446
It's like everybody that's been nominated that's got some kind of sexual assault

01:12:56.446 --> 01:12:58.946
history, there's a picture of you hugging that man.

01:12:59.566 --> 01:13:03.406
I guess because y'all are Republicans, so that's okay, right?

01:13:04.106 --> 01:13:09.826
See, it's kind of like when you're all about opportunity, that's where hypocrisy kicks in.

01:13:10.226 --> 01:13:14.926
If you're true to the game, because initially she wasn't down with Donald Trump,

01:13:15.306 --> 01:13:20.886
but she wanted to maintain, so she bowed down.

01:13:21.626 --> 01:13:25.666
But I wouldn't be trying to get a picture of him. I mean, he literally campaigned

01:13:25.666 --> 01:13:31.686
against her, and he just kind of surrendered to her because she beat his candidate,

01:13:31.686 --> 01:13:35.866
just like Brian Kemp beat Purdue in Georgia.

01:13:36.466 --> 01:13:41.486
You have to respect that guy. You have to respect that woman because I tried

01:13:41.486 --> 01:13:43.606
to take him out, and they won.

01:13:45.157 --> 01:13:49.637
She kind of had that going for her, so she doesn't really need to endear herself with him.

01:13:50.057 --> 01:13:55.037
As long as she can stay in Congress and do what needs to be done in a positive

01:13:55.037 --> 01:13:59.677
way, yeah, there's nothing really Donald Trump or anybody can do to her.

01:14:00.717 --> 01:14:04.337
Now, if they ever get those districts right in North Carolina,

01:14:04.437 --> 01:14:06.497
she may have a strong Democratic opponent.

01:14:07.437 --> 01:14:09.557
But other than that, not really.

01:14:10.557 --> 01:14:17.137
So I just think it was disingenuous the way that she went about doing it.

01:14:17.637 --> 01:14:25.277
I don't want to dismiss her history, and I don't want to dismiss that as an

01:14:25.277 --> 01:14:29.017
initial motivation or real concern.

01:14:29.537 --> 01:14:38.417
But I think in a divided nation, I think we've got to make that extra effort to understand.

01:14:39.557 --> 01:14:45.217
Because there's nothing she can do to Sarah McBride. Sarah McBride was duly

01:14:45.217 --> 01:14:46.737
elected, just like she was.

01:14:47.597 --> 01:14:53.157
Sarah McBride can't vote for or against her, and Nancy Mace can't vote or against Sarah.

01:14:54.097 --> 01:14:59.957
So they were both sent to the same place to work for the American people.

01:15:01.817 --> 01:15:07.357
So instinct for me would be to try to at least reach out and understand.

01:15:08.477 --> 01:15:12.457
But that's not an instinct, it seems like, in this day and age of politics.

01:15:12.457 --> 01:15:16.317
And if we're going to move this country forward,

01:15:16.597 --> 01:15:27.157
if you want to prove those of us who believe that the country that my ancestors

01:15:27.157 --> 01:15:31.837
fought to move forward and make better,

01:15:32.237 --> 01:15:36.517
or worked to move forward and make better.

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.880
To get that instinct back. We got to get back to the point of talking to each

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.240
other about understanding.

01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:54.040
I'm a little sensitive to that because of my work with the ACLU.

01:15:54.240 --> 01:16:02.100
We were given the task of empowering the transgender community politically.

01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:09.220
And that was a great experience for me. It was a learning experience, one.

01:16:09.900 --> 01:16:17.600
And to do something that up until that point, I only really focused in on African-Americans.

01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:23.140
I had done some stuff in the Latino community, but not to the extent that I

01:16:23.140 --> 01:16:28.000
had done in the African-American community to empower people and to be in a

01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.480
position to empower the transgender community,

01:16:31.480 --> 01:16:34.320
to find voices, to work,

01:16:34.340 --> 01:16:43.960
and to and give people the skill sets to legally and politically navigate what was coming at them.

01:16:44.580 --> 01:16:51.360
I just think we've got to get to a point where we have to accept people for who they are.

01:16:52.040 --> 01:16:56.280
We ain't got to be friends with everybody. We ain't got to agree on everything.

01:16:57.500 --> 01:17:02.420
But at some point in time, we have to realize that we have to coexist and get along.

01:17:03.420 --> 01:17:09.620
And the sooner the better because I'm about to be 60.

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:16.660
I'm really not trying to be in a war, civil, uncivil, whatever.

01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.780
I'm not trying to be in any of that. I don't want it to get to that point.

01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:26.740
But we keep pushing the envelope and keep wanting to get a rise out of folks

01:17:26.740 --> 01:17:29.120
for our own political gain.

01:17:29.860 --> 01:17:32.980
That's usually how that story ends up.

01:17:34.020 --> 01:17:36.060
You don't have to look at just the history of the United States.

01:17:36.220 --> 01:17:37.880
I mean, just look all over the globe.

01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:46.480
If rational people took the lead, a lot of these conflicts that are going on

01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:49.960
all over the world and the division that's happening here in the United States would be over.

01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.700
Well, not over, over, but for the most part.

01:17:54.440 --> 01:17:57.520
You know, we got to get to a point of coexistence.

01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:03.940
So I don't want to come across as being harsh to Representative Mace,

01:18:04.120 --> 01:18:09.580
but I'll just say I wish that you handled that better.

01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:13.680
I wish you didn't use that as a platform or a stepping stone.

01:18:13.860 --> 01:18:18.800
I wish that you could arose to the occasion and was woman enough to talk to

01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:24.280
Representative McBride and just say, look, I come from a district.

01:18:24.280 --> 01:18:25.660
I come from a background.

01:18:26.400 --> 01:18:29.720
Around, I got some concerns, can we talk?

01:18:31.200 --> 01:18:35.020
And once she heard how Representative McBride was gonna handle that.

01:18:37.632 --> 01:18:42.432
You know, now they outside of that, they probably won't agree on anything else.

01:18:43.052 --> 01:18:47.732
But if they learn to respect each other and learn how to navigate each other's spaces.

01:18:49.052 --> 01:18:54.992
That's three fourths of the battle. And I really wish that people got that.

01:18:56.652 --> 01:19:01.432
Just let people coexist. If you if that's not your lifestyle,

01:19:01.612 --> 01:19:05.092
if that's not your life experience, that's not your socialization, that's fine.

01:19:05.652 --> 01:19:08.612
I don't care if you're a Christian. I don't care if you're a Muslim.

01:19:08.812 --> 01:19:11.692
I don't care if you're Jewish. I don't care if you're a Buddhist.

01:19:11.952 --> 01:19:13.312
I don't care if you're an atheist.

01:19:14.392 --> 01:19:17.932
When I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the

01:19:17.932 --> 01:19:20.372
Constitution of the state I was in, which was Mississippi,

01:19:21.412 --> 01:19:27.252
my job was to make sure that your rights were protected and that your ability

01:19:27.252 --> 01:19:32.632
to grow and expand was there. Period.

01:19:34.052 --> 01:19:38.332
If you were part of a group that was trying to stop other people from then I

01:19:38.332 --> 01:19:42.012
was going to challenge that either through legislation or activism.

01:19:42.012 --> 01:19:43.452
But I was going to challenge it.

01:19:43.812 --> 01:19:45.812
And I had some friends to back me up.

01:19:46.492 --> 01:19:51.952
But if you were about uplifting people, then I was probably your biggest ally. Right.

01:19:53.052 --> 01:19:57.932
And that's that's all we're all supposed to do in these elected positions is

01:19:57.932 --> 01:20:02.392
to uplift, to do no harm, to raise the nation.

01:20:02.632 --> 01:20:07.732
If you really want to make America great again, then you've got to accept that

01:20:07.732 --> 01:20:10.292
Americans are not monolithic.

01:20:10.632 --> 01:20:13.792
The beauty of this nation is our diversity.

01:20:14.172 --> 01:20:15.752
Period. End of discussion.

01:20:16.472 --> 01:20:22.312
Religious diversity, ethnic diversity, biological diversity, the whole gamut.

01:20:23.352 --> 01:20:27.652
We are the most diverse nation on the planet.

01:20:28.272 --> 01:20:32.752
There's a reason for that. If you want to invoke God as a Christian,

01:20:33.012 --> 01:20:34.252
there's a reason for that.

01:20:34.652 --> 01:20:37.632
We are supposed to be the example for the world.

01:20:39.864 --> 01:20:46.004
These exams, whether it's a pop quiz or whether it's a midterm or the final,

01:20:46.204 --> 01:20:54.844
we keep getting low grades and we got to stop that because the more that we stay divided,

01:20:55.484 --> 01:20:59.084
the less we become the example or we stay the example.

01:21:00.004 --> 01:21:06.604
So, you know, so I just, I really want us to get in.

01:21:06.704 --> 01:21:12.804
And I really want us in the black community to deal with issues like that in-house

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and just come to understand each other as individuals,

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as we strive to do what's best for the uplift of our people.

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Because I know some people are saying, well, you know, that's white folks,

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that's their problem. No, no.

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Once discrimination is allowed for anybody that opens the door,

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the story of the Pandora's box was told for a reason.

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The parable is if you allow any evil to get out, it opens the door for all evil to get out.

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So our objective is to shut that box, period.

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We should never be in a position, especially black folks, where we think it's

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all right to discriminate against anybody based on our history,

01:22:02.184 --> 01:22:04.204
our trauma, our experience.

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We should be about giving everybody an opportunity.

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I think it kind of showed in the election. I think we wanted to give a woman

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who was part black, part Asian, hair being roots.

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We wanted to give her an opportunity to be president of the United States.

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We embraced her in our culture. Most of us, right?

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Wanted to see what that looked like, because we wanted to give our children

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another example of how far they could go.

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Somebody like Sarah McBride is going to run. Somebody like Timmy Baldwin is

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going to run for president one day.

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Are we going to be accepting of that?

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Or are we going to fail that exam too?

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America is not about homogeny.

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America is a concept that no matter who you are, where you come from,

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whatever you want to achieve, you have the opportunity to do that.

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And you have the opportunity to live and live abundantly. That's the mission.

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If we want to stop somebody because they're different, We're failing the mission.

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We want to inconvenience somebody because they're different.

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We're failing the mission.

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So I just wanted to throw that out there. And if people want to comment and

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all that stuff, you've always been welcome to do that.

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People want to come on the podcast and challenge that. You're welcome to do

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that. But I just believe that that's where we need to be because the way we

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are going, we're not going to progress.

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And whatever progress we make is going to be so incremental, we won't feel it.

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Got to change. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again. We've got to evolve.

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When you're the most diverse nation in the world, that is what is expected of us to evolve.

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So I just felt I needed to say that, y'all.

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I'm still debating on whether I'm going to do an episode for Thanksgiving tonight.

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I'm not going to do a news thing. If I do do one, it's just going to be,

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you know, just, you know, might be a throwback to the old days,

01:24:32.343 --> 01:24:34.083
you know, just me talking like now.

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Or it might, you know, put together a couple of interviews I liked and let y'all listen to it.

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I don't know. We'll see. But I know it's not going to be any guests.

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It's not going to be any news or anything like that. It's just going to be me if we do it.

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And I guess you won't know until next week.

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But whatever happens, I do want to wish everybody Happy Thanksgiving.

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I hope that you get your chance to enjoy your family, enjoy some football,

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enjoy the cold weather, whatever gets you in a spirit of joy during the beginning

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of what we call our festive holiday season,

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that it's safe travels for everybody that's going somewhere.

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And, you know, if we're going to be thankful about something,

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be thankful that we live in a country where the concept is that we can be who

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we want to be and be the best at it.

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Thank you for listening. Until next time.

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