Host Erik Fleming interviews Dr. Ellen Bassuk, her son Daniel Schoonover, and author Susanne Antonetta about two powerful books exploring mental health, care systems, and psychiatry's troubled history. Between Two Worlds recounts a mother and son's struggle for compassionate treatment and recovery, while The Devil's Castle traces Nazi-era eugenics and its echoes in modern psychiatry.

The episode blends personal testimony, professional insight, and historical research to highlight systemic failures, stigma, and hopeful paths forward through advocacy, peer support, and humane, holistic care.